Gains with juice free?

NeilW · 03-08-2006, 01:05 PM

Hi all, im new to the site. I have been training on and off for years and now have decided to show some commitment. I am wondering if people agree/disagree if significant gains can be made without juice. Morally its not a problem but I just fancy staying as clean as I can if possible but dont want to waste my time.

Can any one help please??

Squatty · 03-08-2006, 01:24 PM

Hi mate. You can definately make significant gains naturally. Check out www.lamuscle.com. A mate of mine did a natty show at the weekend and the pictures are posted on that site. There are some pretty significant bods there.

Why not post up your training programme, diet and supplementation and we can have a look and maybe gives some tips. Post your stats (age, height, weight etc and what your goals are) As long as you've got the commitment, you're halfway there.

My personal opinion is there does come a point where the gains slow down to a point that only gear can break through. Or, you decide to take your bodybuilding to another level and think about competing, where of course, steroids will help enormously. As you say, it's a personal choice. But before making that choice, do the other stuff I suggested (i.e.post your training,diet etc).

Nice to have you on board

Nick500 · 03-08-2006, 02:20 PM

Definitely, with a good diet and training schedule you can be a beast. Check out the NBFF.

NeilW · 03-08-2006, 03:20 PM

Thanks guys,

Ive a little stubborn fat around my mid and then ill be ready to hammer the weights. Any idea how many gms protein I would need to grow.

Im 12stone and 5foot 7

Cheers for the help

Nick500 · 03-08-2006, 03:23 PM

12 stone = 12 x 14 lbs.

1.5 x 12 x 14 = your protein/day

ross_lionheart · 04-08-2006, 01:09 AM

Dont most bbers who are involved in competitions use drugs eventhough they are banned?

Nick500 · 04-08-2006, 09:14 AM

Squatty · 04-08-2006, 10:27 AM

They're only banned as such in the natural federations. There isn't any drug testing (that I'm aware) in the UKBFF or Nabba competitions

ross_lionheart · 04-08-2006, 11:08 AM

Even at that most if not some guys who enter a natural competition are on roids or have been before. A guy walking in whos 20 with the mature muscle mass of someone who is 30 is either a genetic freak or is on or has been on the roids.

Nick500 · 04-08-2006, 11:26 AM

Although its possible, my mate from teh gym (black guy 6'1 16.5 stone 8% bf) has never even had a protein powder and he looks competition ready ! Hes younger than me (20) and is definitely not lying when he says hes natural...

03-08-2006, 01:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
NeilW Under Construction Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2 Rep Power:	Gains with juice free? Hi all, im new to the site. I have been training on and off for years and now have decided to show some commitment. I am wondering if people agree/disagree if significant gains can be made without juice. Morally its not a problem but I just fancy staying as clean as I can if possible but dont want to waste my time. Can any one help please??

03-08-2006, 02:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,232 Rep Power:	Definitely, with a good diet and training schedule you can be a beast. Check out the NBFF. ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

03-08-2006, 03:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,232 Rep Power:	12 stone = 12 x 14 lbs. 1.5 x 12 x 14 = your protein/day ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

04-08-2006, 09:14 AM	#7 (permalink)
Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,232 Rep Power:	yep ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

04-08-2006, 11:26 AM	#10 (permalink)
Nick500 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,232 Rep Power:	Although its possible, my mate from teh gym (black guy 6'1 16.5 stone 8% bf) has never even had a protein powder and he looks competition ready ! Hes younger than me (20) and is definitely not lying when he says hes natural... ______________________ - Obsession is what lazy people call dedication -

03-08-2006, 01:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
Squatty Legend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: www.counselling-for-men.co.uk Posts: 651 Rep Power:	Hi mate. You can definately make significant gains naturally. Check out www.lamuscle.com. A mate of mine did a natty show at the weekend and the pictures are posted on that site. There are some pretty significant bods there. Why not post up your training programme, diet and supplementation and we can have a look and maybe gives some tips. Post your stats (age, height, weight etc and what your goals are) As long as you've got the commitment, you're halfway there. My personal opinion is there does come a point where the gains slow down to a point that only gear can break through. Or, you decide to take your bodybuilding to another level and think about competing, where of course, steroids will help enormously. As you say, it's a personal choice. But before making that choice, do the other stuff I suggested (i.e.post your training,diet etc). Nice to have you on board

03-08-2006, 03:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
NeilW Under Construction Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2 Rep Power:	Thanks guys, Ive a little stubborn fat around my mid and then ill be ready to hammer the weights. Any idea how many gms protein I would need to grow. Im 12stone and 5foot 7 Cheers for the help

04-08-2006, 01:09 AM	#6 (permalink)
ross_lionheart Under Construction Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 45 Rep Power:	Dont most bbers who are involved in competitions use drugs eventhough they are banned?

04-08-2006, 10:27 AM	#8 (permalink)
Squatty Legend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: www.counselling-for-men.co.uk Posts: 651 Rep Power:	They're only banned as such in the natural federations. There isn't any drug testing (that I'm aware) in the UKBFF or Nabba competitions

04-08-2006, 11:08 AM	#9 (permalink)
ross_lionheart Under Construction Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 45 Rep Power:	Even at that most if not some guys who enter a natural competition are on roids or have been before. A guy walking in whos 20 with the mature muscle mass of someone who is 30 is either a genetic freak or is on or has been on the roids.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode