yeah -have to use a belt-i wouldnt if my back was ok though+i use a trap bar-i cant do squats or deads with a straight bar at all-i do do stiff legs,but they`re are not pain free which is why i dropped them for this cycle ______________________ einsteins mind was the key to all things...to understand more than to know. www.englishmuscle.co.uk  www.extremenutrition.co.uk |